"popcorn" top and "fish scales" on vase I have no clue

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Kevolee, Oct 1, 2020.

  1. Kevolee

    Kevolee Well-Known Member

    Sorry for the silly description but I guess simple works when there is nothing else. The "popcorn" effect on the top has no texture but the "scales" do and are raised. The streaks that I thought were scrapes or scratches are applied. It stands just under 11 inches tall. It has 0068 or maybe 8900 and the number 5 on the bottom. It's interesting but I can't find anything quite like it. I will appreciate any help, leads or ideas on this and thanks ahead of time.



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  2. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Chinese made, popcorn is crystalline glaze, mass produced, poured not thrown.
    edit: Maybe not Chinese with those numbers! :rolleyes: but....why is there a second picture of the base with different, apparently archaic Chinese characters?
     
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  3. Kevolee

    Kevolee Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I just added the next picture in line without looking closely. I thought crystalline glaze but this is flat and not shiny so I wasn't sure.
     
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  4. CheersDears

    CheersDears Well-Known Member

    Does the 2nd photo with Chinese characters belong to this piece? I find it curiously attractive and am surprised that anything mass produced would be finished so badly! Was that a sealed top? A heavy glue or varnish? I can see why you like it, Kevolee.

    @blooey, is there anything we should look for re poured not thrown. I'd be keen to learn :)
     
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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It's not Chinese. Might be West German might be Belgian.
     
  6. CheersDears

    CheersDears Well-Known Member

    I thought Spanish, Portuguese for some reason first off.
     
  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I've seen older German and Belgian with that kind of numbering.
     
  8. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    One thing that I can tell about this vase, despite the wax or other grime, it's not terribly old.
     
  9. CheersDears

    CheersDears Well-Known Member

    30s-50s? or newer? I like it, anyway. Goodnight from this part of the world.
     
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  10. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    I think much newer, CheersDears, have a wonderful sleep! :joyful:
    I think it's just a decorative piece. The 0068 is just hand scratched into the clay, the glaze on the sides around the "scales" appears to have been a failure at best. :rolleyes:
     
  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Never mind, need more coffee, just repeated what you already said:wacky:
     
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  12. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    Look at the base and the inside of a known thrown piece and compare it with this style of base. Apart from looking up marks, almost all ceramic knowledge is based :D! on comparing known characteristics with the unknown, e.g. colour, technique, quality, glaze and of course, style. HTH!
     
  13. Kevolee

    Kevolee Well-Known Member

    Gosh everyone, now I am even more confused. So the vase itself is poured and the decorations applied? Would that make it slipware? Also, the darker scales have that popcorn/crystalline effect too. Then the streaks almost like damage to the vase even though they are intentional. At first, because of the top, I thought it
    was originally used as a bottle. Is there any region or area in particular anyone recognizes this "style" as being unique to or is it just somebody's whim? Thanks everyone for all of the thoughts and comments.
     
  14. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    @Kevolee , Yes the clay of the vase itself was poured into a mold as slip clay. I never call this sort of vase slip ware, but that may just be my own viewpoint. You can see how the base is contoured by the mold, and not cut from a potter's wheel, as hand-thrown pottery must be cut off. The crystalline glaze was applied to the top and possibly also applied beneath a red coloring, to a row on the side. The edges of the "fish scale" pattern appear to have been slightly incised when the scale pattern was made, painted with a cream color that ran over the scales part. I don't see this as being much older than the 1980s. Hope this information helps you.
     
  15. Kevolee

    Kevolee Well-Known Member

    Thanks so much for the lesson. I'm finding it's either a love it or hate it piece. I kind of see it as an ugly curiosity.
     
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