Featured 3 Dutch Sugar Shovels

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  1. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Maker's mark on #2 might be 'JS 189' for Johannes Schijfsma Jz., Woudsend/Sneek, 1848-1902

    ~Cheryl
     
  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    They are gorgeous, inh, classic Dutch Biedermeier style, which was particularly popular in the two rich northern provinces of Friesland and Groningen, famous for their good silversmiths.:happy:
    Would you believe I could actually recognize something in the blob?:joyful: I see the two bars of the F sticking out at the top, that is for the Leeuwarden assay office, Friesland (yay!).
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I would say it looks like a mark for one of the Schijfsma family, so Friesland as well.
    It could be Johannes, but his S, and the mark in general, is more defined, and there is no space between the top of the J and the top of the cartouche.
    A few examples:
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    http://www.gzu-online.com/index2.ph...ad=&jl=&keyword=schijfsma&dd_from=1885&dd_to=

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    http://antiekenzilver.nl/winkel/zilver/gembercouvert/

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    http://antiekenzilver.nl/winkel/zilver/3-longdrinklepels/


    I think the mark could be for his slightly dodgy brother Jan Schijfsma.:shifty:;) A very good silversmith as well, but he had a reputation for faking assay marks, not all that unusual at the time.

    Jan Schijfsma:

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    https://www.catawiki.nl/l/14986209-fries-zilveren-lodereindoosje-jan-schijfsma-woudsend-sneek-1863

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    https://www.catawiki.nl/l/15435573-fries-zilveren-lodereindoosje-jan-schijfsma-woudsend-sneek-1868

    This is how Jan Schijfsma got his reputation, the central mark in the row below is for Jan, the others are fake marks for Rotterdam and a Rotterdam maker:

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    https://blog.zilver.nl/echt-zilver-met-imitatiekeuren/

    Inh, please don't worry that your spoon could be by Jan, he was a good silversmith, and it says in the blog that faking wasn't unusual practice at the time. It is still Frisian silver, a bonus for collectors of Dutch silver.:happy:
     
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  4. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Thank you, Cheryl :kiss:!
    Thank you for taking the time and all the squinting to get the information on these! There is so little on the Internet for Dutch marks.
    I really appreciate it! :)
     
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  5. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Thank you, AnyJewlery ! :kiss:

    Thank you for all this research on my little spoons. They are probably literally “A dime, a Dozen” where you are! :hilarious:
    But I think they are Beautiful! :)

    Oh, I don’t mind if they are by Jan, even if he was dodgy. It’s good to know the truth!

    It’s Great to know about them! Thank you! :)
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    But still appreciated by many, yours truly included.:happy:
    So do I!:)
    And you've got a nice story to tell.:playful: He was a good silversmith.
     
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  7. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Eh, gave me something useful to do at 3:30 in the morning while hoping for sleep to come back my way. Sweet pieces, I've a weakness for Dutch silver, my first piece, purchased over forty years ago from a dealer who firmly identified it as English because of the lion (was sure even then that she was wrong), was also a suikerschep of similar age - packed away right now, but I still have it...

    ~Cheryl
     
  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I knew I liked you from the minute I first set eyes on one of your posts.:playful:
     
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  9. Mugzinnys

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  10. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Hehe, back at you AJ!

    Didn't even know in my youth that I've a bit of Dutch blood in me from my mother's side, 17th century New Netherland residents - early in the 18th, a Hessian 'Silbernagel' married in (perhaps a genetic love of silver?)

    ~Cheryl
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    See, I knew it.:D As we say here 'goei volk', good people. (Brabant dialect, not formal Dutch)
    Alternatively: 'goei volk, mer reauw' good people, but rough.:hilarious:
    I'm sure it is.:pompous:
     
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  12. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Heh, Mom always said we were from 'good peasant stock', though sure she just said that because of our physical sturdiness, but nice to know we're 'good people' too...

    On my father's side, two nephews of a direct ancestor were 18th century Rhode Island silversmiths, one quite well known - have had a tablespoon by that one on watch for a long time, but the seller has it priced a bit high, the reason it still sits unsold.

    ~Cheryl
     
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