PLEASE HELP ID THIS PAPERWORK? legal docs? 157+ YEARS OLD

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  1. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

    My friend believes it's a will or last testament of Adolphe Mouezy-DuPlessis it talks about his life as his marriages the land ownership part you mentioned makes sense, the person has some connection with the duke of berlin.
     
  2. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

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    The document seems to be the will of Adolphe Mouezy-DuPlessis.

    Now I just need to find out who he is?
     
  3. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

  4. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    The reference to Berlin is, I think, in connection to this Adolphe Duplessis' address (perhaps residential status) and has nothing to do with any person other than him.

    There is reference to “la premiere chambre du tribunal civil de l’arrondissment de Rennes”, which is consistent with that genealogical information and was the judicial district where the case was adjudicated.

    (The guy you want to look up is the boy in the upper left of that page.)
     
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  5. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

    The conclusions of Mister Adolphe, Mouezy Duplessis?, owner. Last year duke?? of berlin, Last:---
    ----------------------as----- Mr E. ???, ??:
    Mister Adolphe Lupien, Last Owner
    ??? ???? De Cecile/Cuillé, en su guilité de luten???
    legal of a queen Lupien Her minor daughter defendant Ms. Guillard, madamoiselle

    Adolphe Mouezy-DuPlessis and Cecilé Mouezy-Duplessis are brothers and sisters. (Adolphe is Cecilé's Older Brother). They lived in North-West France, in Ille-et-Vilaine. Sadly, Cecilé died at the young age of 22, just short of her two year wedding anniversary. Adolphe married Sophie Guillemot, who died in February of 1877. Adolphe died on the 22nd of may 1881. They beared one child, Marie Anne Louise Cécile MOUËZY DUPLESSIS. Attached is her picture.

    The daughter of Adolphe went on to marry this man, Joseph Marie Léon BOUESSÉE, who died 3 months after Marie Anne Louise passed away, on Bastille Day (7/14) of 1948. Joseph is pictured below. They beared two sons, Joseph and Jean. Joseph and Jean Bouessée are therefore the Grandsons of Adolphe Mouezy Duplessis.

    There is an calle in Rennes called----
    Avenue Monseigneur Mouezy, likely named after one of Adolphe's Relatives!

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    My friend did some research, I just posted his random replies here, I am still doing some more research, I still don't know if they is am royalty or king or queen type connections, it can't just be a random France family, if so they seem highly regarded, if its nothing too major then its still a cool document which is 157 years old, i will keep you all updated :)
     
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  6. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

    Maybe the family owned land which was close or went threw the berlin wall?
     
  7. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

    Circled is our area of interest,
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  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    "The" Berlin Wall wasn't built until after WW2. What could that possibly have to do with your document?
     
  9. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

    On the newish sleeve its in they is 2 stickers.

    "reivives cuille" 1871 and "mouezy du plessix pur de berlin"

    Maybe one of the family members signed documents regarding the berlin wall,

    I am hoping others can help with additional information
     
  10. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Ah, I see... Had not looked at the dates before posting the other information.
     
  11. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Tip: I was researching an 18th C. Cannon foundry that was in Rennes, having trouble because even the staff at the famous Army Museum in Paris knew nothing about it and even sent me a long list of cannon foundries in France at that time, telling me politely "see, not on list, did not exist." But the marks on the cannon I had were very definitive and I kept on until I had lots of info on the Le Courant foundry of Rennes.

    It is easy to find websites and email addresses of French college students and professors at schools in Rennes, get hold of one after you get someone to write a brief request in French and most of them will help you.

    The wonderful person I got hold of went to the local library, town hall, etc, scanned info and sent it to me, for free. Another person I found a few years later went to the local archives and sent me copies of lengthy contracts between the town and that foundry for the production of bronze cannons. There were an awful lot of quality requirements spelled out, which would be tough to meet even today.

    Anyway, I think someone in Rennes or at least in Brittany (the province) would give you the best info. I used Google Translate to go back and forth, but I wouldn't send until I'd run my draft back and forth thru the translator a few times. If your French draft doesn't un-translate back to English in a form that sounds like what you want to say, it may not be readily comprehensible to the French recipient.
     
  12. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    More recently I've used French Antiques forums and gotten great results more quickly. I can't seem to find my bookmark for the best one, nor can I recall the name but in about a week of exchanges I got the answer to a French cannon question I'd been wondering about for years. The young Frenchman who found the answer didn't know a cannon from a potato but he used his native language in Google.fr to find the answer in a 19th C. French book that was on Google Books.
     
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  13. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Spring: did you forward the info to the Army Museum?
     
  14. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    I had the auction house send them catalogs of the sales of a few of my cannons from that foundry, with lots of info in the descriptions, so yes they were informed.

    They were easy to deal with compared to some other museums. I still find it remarkable, but not too surprising that The Museum of the United States Navy still insists that a certain small bronze cannon they have was "brought to America by Cortez in 1495" after I published an article refuting that in about 6 different ways. I asked what was so hard about changing the erroneous sign, and was told by one of their PhD curators that it was too expensive to do so. When I visited the museum about 6 months later, the small cannon was now described by a much larger, more elaborate sign, obviously made at considerable expense. The wording on the new sign had been copied exactly from the old sign. Boy would I like to see that swamp drained!
     
  15. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    One time I found some letters from a pen pal my great-aunt had in France. I took them to the local high school French teacher and she translated them for me. Help may be closer than you think.
     
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  16. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

    Thank you so much everyone :)
     
  17. m3ltdown

    m3ltdown Active Member

    i am still researching everything
     
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  18. Jo Taylor

    Jo Taylor Member

    I've had quite a lot of these documents pass through my hands. (And still have a folder-full.)
    A notaire in France is a type of lawyer who deals with property transfers, wills, etc.
    They keep old papers for ages (centuries...) then someone has a clear-out and they turn up at fleamarkets. They're not very valuable - though fascinating should you be connected to the people or properties concerned.
     
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  19. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I couldn't pick up anything that suggested a dispute, but could only pick up a word/phrase here & there. It does suggest an agreement over the disposition of property. Phrases I could spot were 'fils suivant' (next son) & 'sa fille mineure' (his daughter who is a minor), as well as the the number 'mille huit' (1,008).

    This may be of interest:

    http://www.geneanet.org/genealogie/fr/mouezy-duplessis.html

    Two pages of same document. First page has been on top, more exposed to light & air.
     
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    Bronwen Well-Known Member

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