Is this man on this Toby-style creamer modeled after someone?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Sedona, May 20, 2017.

  1. Sedona

    Sedona Well-Known Member

    image.jpg Hello all.

    By now you may have figured out that my house is filled with unmarked old stuff.

    This is a hand-painted, thin but sturdy, Toby-style (my term) mini-pitcher (I presume a creamer). It is about 4.25" high. Whoever sold it to us put a sticker on the bottom indicating it is 19th century. The man has a three-pointed hat, and it looks as if liquid can be poured out of the sides of the hat as well.

    The eyes are lopsided. Also, the hands are folded, and the first two fingers on the left hand are extended (kind of like a V for victory), whereas the other fingers on the left hand, and all of the fingers on the right hand, are folded. The thin green outline on the collar and sleeves is also interesting. There are also green vertical lines on the hat, in front. He is also wearing a wig. Perhaps the figure is based on a then-contemporary politician (Member of Parliament?), lawyer/judge, or character in a novel.

    He is also prominently showing his white teeth. Given the primitive state of oral hygiene then, perhaps that suggests that he was rich or powerful.

    I would appreciate any opinions on this, as far as age, origin, or value, or even who the man is.

    Thank you!



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  2. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    I was under the impression that "Tobys" always show the entire figure. Other wise they were called character jugs. This guy is probably a well known politician of the times. I hope someone in Great Britain will recognize him. He might even be a person from our side of the pond as a character.
    greg
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    do the 2 fingers on his left hand sticking out...mean anything..??
     
  4. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    I agree, Greg. Tobys are the entire figure while the head ones with the handle usually at the side of the head are referred to as character jugs or mug. Nowwwww... this one seems to be an inbetween one with head and part of the body. The handle is down the back like Toby jugs. I just don't know what to call it. I'm waiting for others to chime in.
    http://www.tobyjugmuseum.com/definition.php

    BTW, I don't know if or who he is suppose to represent. I looked through a gallery of Royal Doulton characters seeing none like him. Definitely not one of the usual Dickens' characters.

    ---Susan

    Edit: With him dressed in white, wonder if he is representing one of the French kings such as Louis XV?..
     
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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Could be the Prince Regent, who was nicknamed Georgie Porgie because he was so greedy and fat,
     
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  6. DanaB

    DanaB Active Member

    Hello,

    Just happen to see this old post. This toby jug and I use that term loosely since he is not a full body and is not exactly a character jug either as not being just the head. A few makers made this in-between stage. And as you have learned they don't exactly have a name so they got lumped into the toby jug category.

    This jug, I have seen many times. I've collected toby jugs for 40yrs. And to my knowledge, doesn't represent any one person. He does look English but the crossed arms and finger positions don't mean anything. And some toby jugs they showed the teeth and these were more desirable. This toby is not is great shape. The paint on his hat has rubbed off quite a bit. He's probably early 1800s. He certainly not the Prince Regent or Georgie Porgie. And not a Dicken's character. And not anyone else that I'm aware of.

    Most tobys represent an actual person or an occupation of a person. But he's one I can't figure out what he represents.

    Not much information but maybe I helped in some small way.
    Dana
     
  7. Sedona

    Sedona Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Dana. I appreciate it.
     
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