Dutch Opaline Box with Silver

Hey everybody,

Today I received this opaline box with silver mount...

I'm for 99% sure that it comes from Rotterdam, the Netherlands.
Company: "Baksteen & Middendorp" (1861-1889)

On the silver plate on top it says: "THEE". (Dutch for "tea")
Width: 11,5 cm.
Depth: 8 cm.
Height: 7,5 cm.

On the pictures you can see the marks.
Might not be so clear.

I believe they are:
1- "A little Sword"
2- "NM" with something under it, but I'm not sure what it is.

Could anybody tell me more about it?
I did find some more boxes like it, from the same company.

LINK:
1- https://museumrotterdam.nl/collecti...ectrow=7&itemReturnSearch=baksteen middendorp

2- https://museumrotterdam.nl/collecti...ectrow=6&itemReturnSearch=baksteen middendorp

3- https://www.zilver.nl/antieke-opaline-koektrommel-met-zilver

4- https://www.zilver.nl/stel-opaline-botervlootjes-zilveren-handvatten

5- https://www.zilver.nl/opaline-theedoosje-zilveren-monturen


Thank you very much!

 

Can anybody idetify the makers hallmark please?

At first I thought it was N-M.

But it seems to be: BnM, in a square, with a kind of star under it.

Now the company I believed to be the maker, uses another mark,
which is B&M, in a square, with a star under it.


I hope somebody can help me out

 

After working with the maker's mark pic, I think it is "B&M" over a star. Now if it is an "n," I have seen "n" stand for "&" also. In Dutch "n" may stand "for en." Whether it is the mark of Baksteen & Middendorp or not, I don't know for I can't find a pic of their mark to compare it to. Have found several examples of their silver, but no pic of the mark. I agree the other mark is a Dutch sword mark. Even on zooming and editing the mark, don't know which sword mark: the 1814 to 1905, 1906 to 1953. Sorry, I having any more help for you.

Links to the Dutch sword marks that you have no doubt seen because you know it is a Dutch hallmark. For others who nay no know...
In about the middle of the first posting:
http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32028
http://www.925-1000.com/Fnetherlands_Date_Code.html

Another Opaline glass piece that Baksteen & Middlendorp did the silver work.
http://www.europeana.eu/portal/nl/record/2021609/objecten_513_2_A_C.html
English translation. BTW, in English Baksteen & Middlendorp translates to Brick & Middle Village
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.europeana.eu/portal/nl/record/2021609/objecten_513_2_A_C.html&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8

--- Susan

 

Well, somebody sent me a picture of the "REAL" mark.
(See below)

Now there's a date under it.
1861 - 1889. I assume this is the period the company was active.
If it means the period the mark was used, it would mean there have to be another mark.


Yesterday I went to an antique restorer in my city.
He couldn't tell me more about the BnM-hallmark, but he DID tell me the sword
was the old one. (Used from 1814 till 1906). So at least I know it is indeed 19th Century. He has books availlable for me to look up the mark this or next week.

The last 2 Europeana-links, by the way, are the same boxes from the Rotterdam museum.

In the links attached to this post:
-Link #5: Showing the "B&M-hallmark", in their 2nd picture.
( https://www.zilver.nl/opaline-theedoosje-zilveren-monturen )

And now I just took a second look, and the mark in link #3
looks very much like mine. It seems to be: "BnM".
Or is that called wishful thinking
I'd appreciate your opinion about that.

LINK: (SECOND PICTURE)
https://www.zilver.nl/antieke-opaline-koektrommel-met-zilver


Thank you very much for you effort by the way!!

 

No, not wishful thinking, I think it is the real deal! The marks on those links look loke yours especially the shape of the star.

--- Susan

 

I agree.
Too bad I can't find documented proof of the mark yet.
I'll try to search the antique restorer's books tomorrow.

 

Hey, I went to the antique store today.
He had a book about silver and gold master hallmarks.

Mines wasn't there, but the only one close to it was the
"Baksteen & Middenorp" one. He told me he's 99,9% percent
sure that it is.

He told me it's also too good quality to be reproduction, or later fabricated.
It's definately arround 1875.

So that means good news
And I finally got the answer I needed!

Thank you very much for your help!

 

So you were right about the "N"standing for "&"

 

By the way I also found this link:

Saying it's signed "B n M".

https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/antiek...0d84f75c3056cc6db858f31&previousPage=lr&pos=1



And on another website, the same seller selling the same glass,
saying it's "Baksteen & Middeldorp".

http://www.haefkensantiek.nl/kristallen_biedermeier_bruidsgla.htm

 

Great, good news! Here is the an English translation of the description from one of the links:

https://translate.google.com/m/translate#auto/en/Kenmerken Materiaal : Zilver Beschrijving Fraai gaaf gegraveerd huwelijks glas met sierlijke zilveren voet waarop in een cartouche de gravure 1843-1868 en geflankeerd door de letters links B en rechts A. Het glas is voor zien van mooi rank- en stipmotief en 14 cm hoog. Het zilver is gemerkt met B n M met boven en onder stippen. Zie ook mijn andere aanbiedingen.

--- Susan

 

Thank you very much!
I think should have done that for you by the way, since I'm Dutch myself