19th century Dutch oil painting - need help

I'd check the mat for acid free status......if so, I'd remove the glass and fill that space with an acid free mat of the same thickness..
It looks like a nice enough frame.....so no reason to trash it.

If the mat is leaching acid on to the painting ....and you believe the painting is worth preserving......I'd reframe completely...

 

Yes its defently worth preserving. I will have a look into this. Got plenty outer borders hanging around somewhere, just need to find the right one so the overall keeps it antique charmes. So you say change the mat and remove the glass. What should I do with the back? Leaf it open? Its has now a wooden hard back panel which is sealed. The canvas is not clued onto the wooden backing but the outer borders are glued onto the mat. The mat looks fine to me and there are no acid traces. Should I maybe just remove the glass?

 

leave the back the way it is...toss the glass...

you say...The canvas is not clued onto the wooden backing but the outer borders are glued onto the mat.......

?? the mat is glued to the painting...??

 

Maybe its the same painting which your grandfather had. Its a small world
No just joking. The works of this artist are all so similar. They almost all do look alike! Every artists style is like a signature.

 

Yes If I can remember correctly, its yearss ago that Ive checked this. Thought they did this to keep the painting stretched. Make sense to me if you would take it out of a stretcher.

 

if the painting is glued to the mat in any way for any reason.....I have to believe that would seriously affect it's value .
I've been framing prints and paintings for over 27 years and have never yet heard of a painting being glued to a mat....
I could not even council you on the proper way to undo that heresy ....

 

Ok let me have a look into this. Re-framing is the easy part. Not really sure if it was glued or just stuck on the mat because it was pressed together (didnt check this properly because I did not want to force it). Let me see what other members have to say about re-framing. If others agree than I will re-frame it and remove the glass. Let me get first second opinions before I do this.

If I would re-frame it and leaf the glass out and replace the current mat (or keep it) how do I make sure it stays in place? Any suggestions

 

It's my pleasure to offer up suggestions and any experience I have in this area, but explaining what I would...does not mean telling you what to do.

I'm happy to let other express their opinions as well.

 

I thank you very much for your input. You learned me a few things which I didnt know before which will come in handy because I have many other paintings which I had stored away for rainy days and need to check them out.

Never to old to learn

 

Sounds probable that the painting has been trimmed.

 

I was a bit harsh on the miniature which may be on ivory when I said hot needle proponents should be boiled in oil. If that's what you were taught, you wouldn't know any better, so I wasn't speaking of you. Just so you know it wasn't meant as an attack.

However, the fact that you sealed up an oil painting glued onto cardboard behind glass means that you also need to do some research on proper archival techniques. You could be reducing the value of your items substantially. My parents were in the antique business so I had the advantage of learning a lot at an early age. I'm still learning. That's why I'm here. There are so many people who know about different subjects. Welcome and hope you get the information you need.

I'm also wondering who the artist is and why it's a mystery.

 

The sides of painting were already glued to the mat when Antiquer bought it. I think by 'sealing' he may have meant putting the existing backing back in the frame by using that old-fashioned paper tape.

 

Given the fact that the OP is 1) VERY interested in the painting, and so is everyone here, and 2) that the artist is kept secret at the moment, methinks it would be a good idea to take the whole thing, as is, to a good framer and have sealing, and stickum, and acidity evaluated by a professional?

 

That's a great idea, Silverthwaite.

 

What a beautiful piece. Its indeed looks like its framed in the UK, but why did they frame it this way!?
Just saying what I would do if the mat is not clued onto the painting, the rest is up to you!

Look at other works of the artist and which kind of stretcher were used in his works. Buy a cheap 19th painting with a similar stretcher which is hold together with (preferable) hand-hammerd nails. Make sure it has exactly the same size as your painting (the canvas and leave space for the borders). Bring the two paintings to a framer and let him re-stretch the canvas over the new stretcher and reuse the original nails (let him use a wooden hammer). Give it a nice 19th century frame and voilà.

I knew a framer who added vacuum cleaner dust after he would reframe antique paintings

 

If you think your painting is by Petrus Gerardus Vertin (1819-1893), I'm sorry, it's not.
Look at the details on other paintings by this artist and you will see the difference in quality. Your painting was made much later than 1800-1899.

 

Oee how childish! We got a BABY on the forum.. I also knew who the artist was after a quick search when I replied to this post but didn't want to mention it because I respected Antiquer's choice to keep the artist secret. Some things are better kept secret which is very understandable in this case.

To me it looks original from what I've seen from his other works.

Poor person who ever gone purchase this painting in the future and will research it will come along this site and think it's a fake because a somebody spilled the artist's name and just said its a fake with no evidence to support his claims..

This is a reason why I myself don't list some things on this website which is a shame.

 

mp.kunst, Antiquer has made it clear he does not want the identity of the painter to be known.
If someone doesn't want to disclose the indentity of an artist, and you have an idea of the possible identity, or concerns whether it is correct, it is best to start a private conversation with the owner. When you click on your name in the top right-hand corner of this page, you will see a list of options for you to use. One of them is conversations.
If the artist you mentioned is indeed the one Antiquer has in mind, you can use your experience and insights to help him. Although there are others with experience who might not share your opinion.

I do hope none of this has put you off contributing your insights in future, or sharing some wonderful art with us.

 

What happened here!? Not good.

Moderator?? Can I please get the pictures removed from this topic. I just received the painting back from the framer and wanted to list some pics of this on this forum. Will now not do this! This can hurt the value of my work!

Thank you