Signed 18th-19th century painting - need help

Just to complicate things, it could have been an English or other nationality artist who painted in France, as many of them did.

 

Je bent top!

From the info above I can agree on you with everything you said. I didn't look at it from that perspective. Our country is indeed very flat and the houses were not in this style. How funny that I can all agree on what you said, haha wat zullen de bure wel nie denken (what will the neighbours think) typically Dutch. I'm happy signed-up for this forum. Use to submit on a a other antique/art forum and never really had any expertise there.

Can we agree on the that the first name is Frank?

 

Somebody just told me the artist is Frank Dean 1865 - 1947

I have my doubts and presented him with the picture below. Think the letter K has a loop and Frank Dean did not sign like that. I alsi think that the last letter are probably dubble L or dubble T ?

any second opinions?



This is the info I received from the person.

''I'm not convinced it's a loop in the K. If we were to consider every black line as part of the signature, i can see umlauts and a line which connects the N and K.

It's a faded signature with a photo take at an angle and some of those dark horizontals are just the canvas stitches.

Dean put hyphens after his name, sometimes wrote the location or date and that's why it appears longer.

http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/asset658800_14080-e2bn.html
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions...ding-the-orientalist-sale-n08431/lot.148.html

( both upper case )

https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_012_021.jpg
https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_039_03.jpg

( lower case, the latter with a date )

https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.c...fc01-9b9e-454e-863d-a6860114dd68/original.jpg

( upper case with a full stop, slash and date )

So what you presume to be letters of a longer surname could be full stops, hyphens or numbers


Finally, these two paintings

http://images1.bonhams.com/image?sr...43-1-3.JPG&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1

http://www.hoteldesventesdegeneve.a...ile-sur-carton-signee-et-7554354#.WMNQcaJBrIU


More impressionist, like the one from the first post in this thread

Some auctioneers have listed his dates as 1865 to 1907 but that last year is when he flourished ( 1885-1907 ). He was born in 1865, died 1947.


The painting might even be France, where he lived in his late teens / early 20s.''

 

Try doing a negative of the image without your lines.. the negative should show the paint used for the signature on top of the painting in a different tone from the mixed paints used for the painting itself.

 

Ohhh why didnt I think about that before. I got the perfect software for it.
thx leeddie

It did make the signature more visible but still unreadable to me.

 

I see "Frank Donnell" ? I think the one lady is black as well. Maybe a french colony?

 

Not sure if the lady is colored, If you look closely you will see that her face gets lighter in the middle, the other lady is also painted this way, Think it just the style of the artist or how the paint dries etc. Will upload a closeup below.

Thank you for the input put don't think it reads Donnell, this name also does not show in the artist database. I think its Frank Daniell. any second opinions?


Frank Daniell 1866-1932 Suffolk, Colchester, UK.


https://artuk.org/discover/artworks...or:daniell-frank-18661932/page/1/view_as/grid

https://artuk.org/discover/artworks/search/actor:daniell-frank-18661932/page/2

 

Ok. Im pretty sure the artist is Frank Daniell.

The scans also showed me something else which I missed before.

I overlooked the back of the painting!! There are plenty of inscriptions on the stretcher with clues. You can clearly see in the pictures that there is writing on the back of the stretchers. You can still clearly see writing in white chalk the letters D A N and vaguely the letter at the end LL. This makes me believe that it is Frank Daniell

 

"Not sure if the lady is colored, If you look closely you will see that her face gets lighter in the middle, the other lady is also painted this way, Think it just the style of the artist or how the paint dries etc. Will upload a closeup below."

The other lady's face is so pale, it's nearly invisible, so I'm not seeing what you see. She has black hair or it wouldn't look like she even has a head. Maybe it looks different in person.