some old ceramic plates? any idea

Guys here i have attached some old ceramic plates and some Queen Diana death anniversary collectibles? are they rare or valuable.

 

Oh my, those VOC plates carry the mark of the trading company, Dutch East India Co. "(Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie; or Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie in modern spelling; VOC)" in operations from 1602-1799.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_East_India_Company

Here is one of their plates dated c1660 made in Japan that is in The Met (The Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York City).
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/2002.447.40/

Here is VOC rhino horn snuff box that sold for over $2,000 not because it has thecVOC mark, but because it is made of Rhino horn.
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/23864458_snuff-box-dutch-east-india-rhino-horn-18th-c

Here are Google images of VOC plates:
https://www.google.com/search?q=porcelain+mark:+"ocv"&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN3a3c9bnSAhWB5oMKHdAADwEQ_AUIBygB&biw=1024&bih=649#hl=en-us&tbm=isch&q=porcelain+mark:+"voc"&*

As to the commemorative plate, it is for the 80th birthday (2006) of Queen *Elizabeth II* - not to a Queen Diana. Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain is still alive. Queen Elizabeth was the mother-in-law of Princess Diana. Princess Diana was killed in 1997. I doubt they have a great value for probably thousands of these commemorate plates were probably made just a few years ago. Do wait our British members to weigh in on this.

--- Susan

 

Added info on plates marked with VOC. According to the the following reputable porcelain site, very few VOC plates were marked. It seems fakes "abound" the market Today. Read the especially the last paragraph.
http://www.gotheborg.com/glossary/voc.shtml

Susan

 

You can't give away modern commemorative plates, but the VOC marked ones may be shipwreck salvage, some early wrecks have been unloaded and the contents sold at auction in the last 30 years. Or they may be reproductions. I'd say any with dates are obvious fakes.

 

By the way if these are originals how much would they cost?

 

Normally Sri Lanka was colonized by the British, Dutch and Portugal. at these era these ceramics were very common. actually the city of galle in Sri Lanka was mainly used as a shipping hub by British so most are originals in Sri Lanka

 

Further Sri Lanka do have many shipwrecks which are still not being searched. The reason is diving for Shipwrecks and treasure hunting is illegal by government. only the government can do that. Since Sri Lanka is still developing they do not have enough funds to fund the programs. There are a large number of sunken ships in the southern coast.

 

Susan is liveautioneer.com is a good place to sell the antique stuff? or are there any good places where you would recommend?

 

It is hard to tell from the photographs if the VOC plates are real. I think a Sri Lankan provenance makes a good case for them being genuine, although the 1668 one looks to new for my liking. Is there a museum you can take them to for appraisal?

 

My experience of antiques with dates on them is that they are almost always fakes. If there is a reason for the date such as a marriage item, they have more chance of being authentic but why would anyone date a plate in huge 20th C style numbers?

If you made a routine plate in 2017 you'd not date it. It's just 'this year'. Why would anyone in 1668 do so? To them it was just 'this year'
Places everywhere have markets full of supposed antiques for the foreign tourist with their guard down.They believe because they are far from home that the locals are ignorant and will sell valuable antiques for next to nothing because they have no idea what they have.

This attitude fosters a lively trade in fakes and fantasy pieces.

 

Although the 1668 one doesn't look convincing to me, that year was significant for the VOC. Which could be why it was put on a possible fake.
In 1668 the VOC signed a treaty with the sultan of Makassar (in Sulawesi, now Indonesia), in which the sultan agreed that all Portuguese had to leave the important trading town of Makassar. This meant that from then on the Dutch had a monopoly on the clove trade, all-important in the international spice trade.
But if 1668, or any other year, was significant, wouldn't it be put on the front of the plate?

 

Those are clearly modern Chinese replicas

 

The one on the third picture, with the phone, looks Japanese. I think that is the 1668 one. The design and the Japanese black-blue colour. But of course the Chinese can fake just about anything.

 

The 1790 one is the exact same plate as a 2014 ebay listing out of Virginia. "
Old Large Asian Blue White Porcelain Dutch VOC Plate Charger Chinese Kraak Style"

 

hey hi,
the problem is Sri Lanka is you cant take them for a museum. the reason is there is a government act of antiquities act of 1968 which prohibits individuals from possessing antique items more than 100 years. if they poses they need to justify them with proof. until such proof is valid they confiscate that. due this most of the people do not take their items to museums. they either sell them or keep it among themselves.

 

@Any Jewelry
hey hi,
the problem is Sri Lanka is you cant take them for a museum. the reason is there is a government act of antiquities act of 1968 which prohibits individuals from possessing antique items more than 100 years. if they poses they need to justify them with proof. until such proof is valid they confiscate that. due this most of the people do not take their items to museums. they either sell them or keep it among themselves.

 

Hey thanks guys, By any chance what are good online auctioning sites for VOC plates or what are prices ranges of them. if any of you guys are familier?

 

Further guys 1970 figured plate seems bit genuine. what you guys think. indeed the 1968 one seems to be quite new. Even the 1968 figure seems to be written recently.

 

That is a problem. Even when things came down through the family?
I remember an old Sri Lankan man who taught himself Dutch from his family bible, a beautiful antique 'Statenbijbel'. An amazing feat, and his Dutch was perfect. Would he have had to hand in his Dutch family bible?

There is a dutch auction house that specializes in Asian antiques, especially those with a link to Indonesia, VOC, etc. This is the link to an english page:
http://www.zeeuwsveilinghuis.eu/tekst.php?tekst=2dyusgxplpgyex8l8hj6
For a rough appraisal you can contact them: info@zeeuwsveilinghuis.nl
The thing is, they, just like most specialized auction houses, will want to see the plates before they even contemplate selling them in auction.

If these are replicas, you can list them on ebay as such. They will still fetch some money.

 

Thanks a lot at AnyJewelry, in the above case you mentioned, if he did not have a proof of purchase, what the government will do it, they will confiscate the item, and they they would have an inquiry. for the output of the inquiry it'll take around 10 to 15 years. By that time the owner is most likely has made up his mind to give up his hopes. they dont call these countries developing countries without a reason.