What type of screw is this?

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by Steven Martin, Feb 14, 2017.

  1. Steven Martin

    Steven Martin New Member

    Hi,
    I am restoring a cast iron letter embosser and i have come across a screw head i have not seen before, similar to a modern spanner bit , however one hole is square and one is round. I am assuming this needs to be removed as there must be a spring under it, please see photos attached, thanks

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  2. desperate_fun

    desperate_fun Irregular Member

    Tamper proof screw. Although I dont recall ever seeing one with one square and one round hole (Typically 2 round holes)
     
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  3. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I agree tamper proof, perhaps both were square and one has been rounded due to tampering.
    Unless the spring operation is not working, leave it alone and just lubricate.
     
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  4. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Tamper Resistant Drilled Spanner Flat Head Machine Screw

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  5. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    If you need to remove it, use a good rust penetrant like PB Blaster, tap repeatedly on screw to aid penetration, then wait a day. Take a cheap blade screwdriver with a blade width that will turn in the space available. Grind or file off the middle of the blade so all that's left are two nubs that fit into the screw's holes. Insert and turn ccw.
     
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  6. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    It might be tamper proof to prevent opening so the high tension spring doesn`t shoot out and go into your eye.
    It might be impossible to put back together without a spring compressor.
     
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  7. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Screw is that way to keep users from disturbing a "factory setting" of the proper spring tension. In US Navy training schools, any screw with a setting which sailors were not to disturb was deemed a "DFW" screw, for "Don't F--- With."
     
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  8. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Yeah, but this is in Ireland.
     
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  9. Rayo56

    Rayo56 Well-Known Member

    Well if you are restoring it then you should have the ability to make a spanner wrench (?) to fit that screw seeing you might need more torque to get it out.
     
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  10. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Ha!!!!!
    THAT explains it fully!
    :)
     
  11. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    You can buy a set of bits for security screws.
    Even the double round might work if the pins are the correct diameter and distance apart.
    Still watch it if there's a spring!
     
  12. Steven Martin

    Steven Martin New Member

    Thanks guys, this is bigger than a standard tamper screw, the space between these holes is at least 12mm, my first thought was this is to stop someone opening it with the tension of the spring, but i dont think ill be able to clean the metal around the top stamp holder with out removing this - although i am in Ireland i think it may be British made between 1890-1910 but so far i have only seen one picture of a similar model for sale on ebay > http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-E...280114?hash=item1c7b556c32:g:g4MAAOSwA3dYiw9g

    it differs from others in that it has two piston style rods on the external of the spring assembly , which have flathead screw heads on the top but have tried and failed to turn these even using release sprays and time :(

    i will try work around this for now, as 80% of the paint on mine is missing i was going to polish the cast iron to a mirror finish which seems to work beautifully on the parts i tested
     
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  13. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    The things one learns!
    I had no idea there even was such a thing.
     
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  14. Rayo56

    Rayo56 Well-Known Member

    Try some heat from a propane torch!
     
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  15. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    The 3 things that release stuck ferrous parts are penetrants, heat, and impact/vibration, best if used in combination. The heat and impact causes tiny changes in the area of contact, allowing the penetrant to creep in. I heat things until the penetrant I've applied starts to smoke, then let it cool while subjecting it to impact. Most hammer drills are good for applying the needed vibration/impact.
     
  16. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    And Spring would probably know about old stuff with springs. :) That looks like more work than it's worth, unless you have a use for the gizmo. Some modern machinery simply won't cut the mustard when dealing with antique metal whatsits.
     
  17. gen belli

    gen belli Member

    Would love to see the finished product, especially as you are polishing the cast iron.
    I would think it will look quite handsome once you have completed it.:pompous:
     
  18. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Nono, it looks like it had shiny black enamel on it when new, I think it would be best to put it back that way, or make it two-tone, maybe gloss black with a red or gold handle. But it isn't mine.
     

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