Double headed eagle large cast seal. What do we have here?

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  1. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    0C0309A2-B650-4F56-9641-7BC03E94B156.jpeg A0EA010B-D3B3-4B2D-8A14-B80C1D24FD40.jpeg E77EA26E-A0EC-4D11-B130-B7E31211682C.jpeg 78FCC09B-009A-4BBF-95B0-92BEA20B8535.jpeg Russian coat of arms/Byzantine double eagle seal interpretation. Found this for sale somewhere close by. 16” diameter. Looks brass or bronze maybe? Or is it cast iron? Not sure if it was embedded in a wall or a grate on the floor or what!? Any ideas on what this was?! If so any guesses as to value? It’s pretty cool and I’m looking for a reason to buy it lol.
     
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  2. Rayo56

    Rayo56 Well-Known Member

    See if a magnet sticks for cast iron. If not, then make a small scratch somewhere inconspicuous - if yellowish then it's bronze/brass,
     
  3. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    It’s not mine but I’ll see if seller will allow that (if not magnetic) if I decide to go check it out again. Thanks
     
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  4. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Whole thing looks like painted cast iron, to me.
     
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  5. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Just a little bump. No guesses as to the origin here?
     
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  6. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Blue-green patina says to me that copper is present so I'm saying bronze.
     
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  7. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    That was my thought but antidiem thinks it may be painted.
     
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  8. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The circle looks like steel and the center appears to cast.
     
  9. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Good point!
     
  10. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    9BFFC2E4-B7FC-43DC-815D-C2A272DD8A3B.jpeg Maybe it’s from a gate?
     
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  11. J Dagger

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  12. Msalicia

    Msalicia Well-Known Member

    It was not that long ago that the Russian owned estate in NY was shut down I believe by our government. I recall seeing similar gates years ago there.
     
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  13. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    It may not be steel, I'm not stuck on steel!
     
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  14. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    What an interesting story. Never knew about this one! I can’t find photos of those gates unfortunately :(. It sounds like they probably didn’t tear that place apart from the older stories I read. It could have happened since then but an old story I read said they still belonged to Russia and may even be opened back up to them at some point. Here’s a photo of the gates from a similar estate they own in Maryland. Edit: spelling. 8989E310-DB8C-4B1D-A455-E5D6DE09410D.jpeg
     
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  15. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    two more fancy Russian gates. I think you’re on to something here. Top right and left of the item I posted you can see where it could have been cut out of a gate.
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  16. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Thanks, JDagger, and now I'm inclined to believe the center part of it is surely not steel, and that it is most likely part of an old gate. It's very interesting too.
     
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  17. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Thanks for getting the ball rolling. The eagles may not be but the ring around the outside looks like it is. You had part of it either way! Now I have to wonder what kind of value if any this may have.
     
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