Chinese Champleve LAMP, Anyone know value?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Justin Williamson, Mar 15, 2020.

  1. Oh, ok, thank you! I do have the pair though!
     
  2. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    Based on this close up, I'd say it is more likely champleve, as the borders appear to be all one continuous piece, and vary in width. whereas cloisonne is made from pieces of wire bent to shape and affixed to the surface of the item being decorated.

    Here is a closeup of cloisonne.
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  3. Hello
    Thank you! Any idea what mine is worth?
     
  4. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    I still think cloisonne.

    Cloisonne enamel is created by soldering fine wire to create the raised outlines of the design and generally no indentation is created in the metal base. ... Champleve enamel is created with indented areas which are carved or cast into the metal and then filled with the enamel.
     
  5. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    Many vases and urns have been
    Many vases and urns have been converted into lamp bases. Perhaps underneath the metal plate shown in your photo you might find a makers mark for the original vase.
     
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  6. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    The reason I had doubts for it being cloisonne was that the divisions shown on item in question are varying widths in the same line and no joins are visible between sections. Cloisonne, is made from wire, bent and soldered together and affixed to the surface. You will see the division lines are uniform in width and can also see where separate wires are soldered together, as in my example.
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  7. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    I also think champlevé. May be Japanese in origin.
     
  8. No markings, i took it off
     
  9. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I don't think it is cloisonne. Appeared that way in the first photo you posted.
    Now that you have shown a better picture of the lamp base.
    I'm thinking Japanese champleve as well.
     
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  10. yes , i agree, definitely Japanese
     
  11. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

  12. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    One of the best ways to tell is count the toes. Chinese dragons have five toes and Japanese have three. Looks like your dragon has five toes.
     
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  13. Yes, it has 5 toes
     
  14. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

  15. Couch Potato Wannabe

    Couch Potato Wannabe Well-Known Member

    Only the Imperial Dragon has five toes in Chinese mythology, all other Chinese dragons have four.

    Originally, the only place a 5-toed dragon could be depicted on was imperial insignia. Kind of like how the colour purple used to be reserved for royalty.
     
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  16. Thank you!
    I'm still researching!
     
  17. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    No need for more speculation or guessing! This is a very very nice Japanese Champleve piece, made into a lamp. Around 1890-1910
     
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  18. Thank you! Do you know what they are worth? I have a pair. Thanks!
     
  19. 916Bulldogs123

    916Bulldogs123 Well-Known Member

    One out of three. I'm done
     
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  20. ?
     
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