Information wanted on my Demitasse set.

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by cj1999, Jul 24, 2016.

  1. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

  2. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

    I don't know if my information went with this or not, so I'll re copy what I wanted to know here below.

    Good day, I've been surfing the web so much lately that I'm water logged, and have ended up crashing repeatedly.
    I've been trying to find my pattern,age and of course worth to my Demitasse cup and saucer set. I've had it for many years and would like to know more about it.
    What I've found is that it is a gilded gold dandelion over a floral pattern. The gold stamp on the bottom says Made In Japan, so I know it is not Occupied Japan.
    But why can't I find even a proximity to my pattern and gilding for a made in japan item.
    I've found the gold gilding dandelion pattern on a few sets but not floral pattern underneath.
    I've heard something about blanks but cannot confirm the floral patterned cup n saucer are actual blanks.
    Where did my cup come from?
    Is it a combination of German made blank and gilded in japan?
    I do not own any other china as I gave it all away many years ago. I've kept this set because the lady who gave it to me was very special and meant a lot to me. I've had the set for 35 years. Mary could have picked it up anywhere as her husband was German and they traveled quite frequently. I received them in Canada. So as I've stated, I've no clue as how to locate their origin.
    Please help, I can't see me buying books to finish my quest, but the internet is a right royal pain in my eye.
    Thank you to all who respond.
    I hope this lets me post a picture in this post.
    Thank you Audrey aka cj1999
     
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  3. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Here is what I think you have. The floral spray looks like a Dresden style (German) Floral decoration. I think they were bought by a Japanese company who added the gilding and added the Made in Japan mark. If you look up Dresden Floral Decoration , you should find many in the style of your floral decoration. This is just my GUESS. But it makes sense to me. Hope this helps.
     
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  4. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

    Thank you that is a start! I did find a floral pattern that was similar to mine and it was German Dresden.
    So with that, what year would the german 'blank' have been made. And is it possible to find out when it was shipped and gilded in japan or if it was even done in japan.
     
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  5. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Because after WWII the US imported so much from Japan. Most makers did not mark their wares as to who made them. But they had to be stamped with the country of origin if they were being brought into the US.

    I would guess the time period on your demitasse set is 1950s-60s

    Not sure why you think it was made in Germany.
    I don't know that I have ever heard of Japan buying blanks from another country and then decorating them, when they had the means to make them themselves.
    If anything they may have purchased the stencils from Germany and used them to decorate with.


    Adding:
    I could of course be wrong.
     
  6. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    I disagree with pat on the age. (Clutterdcloset) . I think you are looking more along 30's to early 40's in age. Are there any marks besides MADE IN JAPAN on the back? A picture of the bottoms may be helpful
     
  7. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Hi Mike -
    I could very easily be wrong.
    I'm thinking after WWII, because of the ivory colored porcelain that looks a little heavy.
    I think of the 30s china as being a little thinner with different colors, not so much gold.
    Again, no expert.
     
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  8. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Hi Pat! I see your points. What is throwing me is the Florals. They have all the style of the 30's Dresden pieces. But Usually Germans were fussy about marking their pieces. Dresden also did gilt work on a lot of their pieces. So the Made in Japan isn't making sense. I was wondering if on the bottom of the pieces their was a blob of gilt covering the german mark. This is a mystery.
     
  9. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Yes that would be helpful

    What if it was someone like Sears, Penny's or other, who imported the Made in Japan china and had it decorated here. They didn't always mark their items.
    The dresden flowers are going to be stencils with the 22K gold probably applied afterward.
     
  10. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

     
  11. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    The only german thing about these are the style . I agree with Pat , 50s - 60s . Made in Japan , pretty much says it all .
     
  12. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

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    I've tried to get a good picture of the slight raising around the inside ring underneath but it won't show up. In the glass itself there is what appears to be 2 or 3 markings. I will see if my husband's phone will take a picture of that part. but here is the bottoms of the cup n saucer.
     
  13. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

    I'm sorry but pretty much says it all didn't help me with my questions from the original post.
     
  14. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

    The only reasoning I had was that the floral pattern was closely matching to everything I've searched so far.
    Also Is the gilding for sure done in japan? and was it a specific company that used that dandelion pattern?
     
  15. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Thanks CJ. I can see the raised ring in the pictures. I was hoping for a blob of gilt that was put on to obscure another mark. I'm beginning to think Johnny and Pat are right about age and origin.
     
  16. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    Of course value is a subjective thing. Searching eBay completed auctions for Japanese floral cup and saucer shows them selling as singles in the $4-$10 range.
     
  17. cj1999

    cj1999 New Member

    Well I don't plan on selling it, but the worth would be nice to have. It would be nice to know they are worth something after all these years. I myself was guessing at the 50's but again it's just guessing. I'd like to know all the information possible. I also wouldn't mind seeing or getting the Tea or Coffee pot creamer and sugar containers if they even exist.
    But why can't I find an exact match to even one cup or saucer to my set? It's mystifying! If they are just common everyday pieces... shouldn't there be more out there in the wild?
     
  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I you google , the everyday common pieces are the last to show up...if at all.
     
  19. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I hope I didnt come off snarky , I just meant to say that made in japan is about all the info you will find on this set . If it were by a special designer or company , that info would probably be included . :)
     
  20. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    They may have been commissioned by one store, so maybe the pattern itself was not widely distributed.

    After seeing the bottom, your cups and saucers were made in Japan and decorated there.
    See how the stamp is over the glaze? That would have been done by whoever did the decorating, prior to them being exported.
     
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