Napoleonic? oil lamp and candelabra

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by Francisco Vieira, Apr 15, 2016.

  1. Francisco Vieira

    Francisco Vieira New Member

    Hello.
    I've found the candlestick and chandelier in the image below, and was told that they are from the Napoleonic era, but I have no idea how to validate this and find how much they're worth.
    Would you have any tips for me on how to do this?

    Thank you very much in advance!

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  2. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    At the moment I can't help you on dating these pieces other then to say very doubtful of the Napoleonic era - (1799-1815) - possibly Gothic Revival during the Victorian age???

    The item on our left is an oil lamp. It looks like it has most of the burner missing from the top. Not sure what that cylinder white and brass thingy on the top is. It may be a cylinder holder for a round wick used in central draft type of oil lamps or an electric bulb adapter pushed down into the top. I need a close-up pic of that top of the lamp to know for sure. The vase shape with lions? dancing around it is the font that hold the kerosene for the lamp. The actual font is inside that. Is there any writing or design on thumbwheel, wick winder, turner? The other item is a candelabra. A chandelier hangs from the ceiling.

    --- Susan

    Edit:
    Kerosene lamps weren't used during the Napoleonic era (1799-1815). They didn't come into use until the 1850s.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2016
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  3. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Welcome!

    Have you looked each piece over carefully including the bottom and all the little parts to see if there are any maker's marks? That's the easiest way to start.
     
  4. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    If it's French, and from the 3rd quarter of the 19thC (I don't know if any of that is true), it would be from the period of Napoleon III.

    "Napoleonic Era" usually refers to Napoleon I.
     
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  5. Wanttoknow

    Wanttoknow Well-Known Member

    So interesting.... Could you please let us know what was using for lighting before kerosene lamps.... only candles? :cyclops:
     
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  6. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    London had gas lighting in the early 19th C., some may be surprised to learn, generally candles would suffice, wax for the rich, tallow for the poor. Oil lamps burned whale oil, not paraffin (kerosene), a refined mineral oil.

    From the look of these things I'd say they are cast in spelter, late 19th C.

    The Napoleonic era roughly 1800-1815 is usually described as Empire style and imediately afterwards, Restauration (of the monarchy, spelling is correct) and was far more refined. Cleaner and more delicate. More similat to British Georgian era stuff than anything else.
     
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  7. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    This painting (by Michel-Barthelemy Ollivier) shows a dinner party held by the Prince de Conti in 1766. Candle lit.
    PrinceDeContiCandlelightDinnerMichelBarthelemyOllivier1766FrenchPainting.jpg
     
  8. Wanttoknow

    Wanttoknow Well-Known Member

    Thanks!
     
  9. Francisco Vieira

    Francisco Vieira New Member

    Thank you everyone for your replies!

    I've looked at the oil lamp more carefully and found it is a Kosmos Brenner lamp, which helps a lot already.
    Unfortunatelly it's also been modified so it works with a lamp instead of oil, which makes it less valuable...
    Also, it's current owner is asking too much money for it, so I've lost my interest in it...

    Still, your help was very useful, not only because it helped me learn more about these lamps but also because it taugh me how to look for some of this information on my own next time.

    So thank you once again!
     
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