Help with a German Stein

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  1. jingyel

    jingyel Well-Known Member

    Hello Everyone,

    I want to a small auction and found Three German Vintage stein.
    The one shown below has the description of original award to Captain of Submarine U-505, the same one displayed at Chicago Science Museum.
    Could anyone help me to identify if this piece is original or reproduction?

    Thanks
    Jing


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  2. jingyel

    jingyel Well-Known Member

  3. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    The U 505 I belive refers to a wwII U boat.
    U-505 is a German German Type IXC submarine built for Germany's Kriegsmarine during World War II. She was captured by the U.S. Navy on 4 June 1944.
    In her uniquely unlucky career with the Kriegsmarine, she had the distinction of being the "most heavily damaged U-boat to successfully return to port" in World War II on her fourth patrol, and the only submarine in which a commanding officer took his own life in combat conditions on her tenth patrol, following six botched patrols. She was one of six U-boats that were captured by Allied forces during World War II, captured on 4 June 1944 by United States Navy Task Group 22.3 (TG 22.3). All but one of U-505's crew were rescued by the Navy task group. The submarine was towed to Bermuda in secret and her crew were interned at a US prisoner of war camp, where they were denied access to International Red Cross visits. The Navy classified the capture as top secret and prevented the Germans from discovering it. Her codebooks, Enigma machine, and other secret materials found on board helped the Allies to break Germany's top secret codes.
    In 1954, U-505 was donated to the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, Illinois. She is now one of four German World War II U-boats that survive as museum ships, and just one of two Type IXCs still in existence with U-534.
     
  4. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

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  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    quite a find if it's authentic....;):jawdrop:
     
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  6. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    I can't find anything relating to steins given as awards. That said, I see no reason to doubt it's authenticity. dating the mark might be useful. I will give that a shot tomorrow.
    A closer pic of the marks might be helpful.
     
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  7. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    I am not sure about this one, but one thing is that he did not sink ships of 50000, but only almost 38,000 GRT according to this page: https://uboat.net/men/commanders/745.html . Also there are way too many marks on the bottom, to me this looks as if the one who made this wanted it to look very authentic. Also the discrepancy between the perfect untouched condition of the inscriptions and the marks on the bottom and the worn off medals is a bit suspicious IMO. But I have to add that I am not at all familiar with such kind of items so I may be totally wrong.
     
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  8. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    complete BS, sorry. this stein is a new make, eventually sold in the Chicago museum shop. there were no beer steins as awards in the German forces. Axel-Olaf Loewe is described as being lackadaisical towards the regime in German sources.
     
  9. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Sold along with Titanic ships bells.:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  10. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    and what people don't know in Amerika is: when you are baptised with two first names connected by a hyphen, then it's official; when the hyphen is missing, it's at your pleasure what you chose as your preffered name.
     
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  11. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator


    Enigma Machine

    I must point this out.

    There are many examples of shameless deception, such as 2000's notorious U-571, starring Matthew McConaughey, in which a U.S. warship is shown to capture a German submarine and seize its Enigma decoding machine, thus enabling the Allies to win the battle of the Atlantic.


    Right at the end, in the credits, a brief text admitted that in fact it had been the crew of a Royal Navy destroyer, HMS Bulldog, that performed the feat — seven months before the U.S. entered the war.
     
  12. Christmasjoy

    Christmasjoy Well-Known Member

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