Help with maker of tea set pattern 2436, Please!

I only bought this handpainted part tea set recently but I have searched hard and have already run out of ideas on the manufacturer. There is a well in the saucer, so it not as old as it looks, maybe a Victorian revival of a Georgian style, maybe the art nouveau era? The pattern number 2436 marked very neatly underneath some of the items is high, and the decoration is skilfully hand painted freehand, so I would guess a well-established manufacturer. I thought it might be Minton but there is no letter in front of the pattern number. Does anyone recognise the shape, or can you give me ideas on which firms to look at? Any ideas at all would be welcome!

 

Very pretty........! Did you check with Replacements.com yet??

 

Probably a Staffordshire maker, c. 1870/80 (bit of a guess). Handpainted!

 

Does the geometric shape of the teacup handle...as well as the difference between it an' the creamer handle...narrow the era, or manufacturer, search?

 

If you’re on facebook, try the Potty British pottery and porcelain group, someone will know just from that number.

 

Thanks , I have often looked at the site to value items but never thought to search on it for something to identify by pattern number. I've now had a go but no luck, although it did open my mind to the possibility of it being continental rather than British. I think that the trouble is that it is not of interest to collectors or dealers of early English china, being probably late Victorian, and a posting on another china forum, usually very informative, produced no comments. But it is too early to be properly marked, or to have many similar items currently on sale and on the internet. Or maybe it was too expensive to have many examples made! I will want to market it eventually, but will keep looking for a while, I like to give things their proper attribution.

 

This looks like the same tea cup blank. More finely decorated. Copelands. c. 1880s according to seller.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1687964858/8pc-antique-copelands-china-tea-set-4

Debora

 

Thanks for the suggestion. Alas, that was the usually very helpful group I posted it to in November, but not a single reply so far, and now it has slipped way down the forum. I have some books on single factories with pattern lists but mostly main earlier factories like New Hall, not Victorian ones. By the way, do you happen to know a rough date for when the well in saucers first appeared?

 

I think that is very helpful in pinning down a date when the general style was fashionable, both the handle and the outward sloping, straight-sided cup are near identical. The handle on mine is flat-sided, and on the listed example it has a groove, like on earlier Georgian pieces, but apart from that it's a near match. And hand painted at that date, too! Like you say, the Spode piece is more finely decorated, mine looks a bit crude in comparison. I think Copeland and Spode were actually quite good at marking their pieces even in Victorian times, and the number on mine was used very much earlier, so although probably not the exactly the right factory I think the right period, and will concentrate my search on factories of that period, (so many of them!)who might have numbers around 2000.

 

Thank you, I think it is a key clue. I also hadn't noticed that the creamer and cups had different handles! I have a Georgian Regency Derby cup with almost exactly that handle, and I think the maker of my set was reviving that style, but about 60 years later. I will add "angular handle" to my searches.